DMN function: language and associations etc

Submitted by axel.vadim on Fri, 12/06/2013 - 16:42
This is reply to Doug's comment about DMN, language and associations (from previous thread; see also below). Somehow I could do the reply directly there.
 
Doug, if you can post some references to representative paper(s) related to DMN/language and DMN/associations this would be helpful for me. Thanks!
 
As to what you are saying regarding associations, I am confused with terminology. When you are saying "involved" you mean more negative or more positive response? For example, the papers of Addis & Schacter show that we have negative response in the DMN for arithmetic task, but positive response for some self-referential stuff, like episodic memory or feature thinking. So, what of these require more associations?
 

 

Doug wrote:

How much angular vs. posterior middle (& superior) temporal gyrus is activated by language depends on the particular task, individual(s), and study.  Part of the DMN is more active during demanding language conditions, e.g., requiring conversion of information between visual & auditory modalities – which seems to contradict the idea that the DMN is most active when we are doing nothing. 

Personally, I think the DMN is involved in associative activity, so that by default we make associations between whatever stimuli and/or thoughts that occur simultaneously in time – there is decreased activity when we are doing a task so that irrelevant information does not interfere or create dysfunctional associations.  This hypothesis explains why demanding tasks [which nearly always require associations] are associated with more activity in the DMN than less demanding tasks, although not as much overall as at rest.  Furthermore, it explains the symptoms with neurological conditions such as Alzheimer’s that are associated with lower DMN activity – reduced ability to form new (associative) memories and loss of other abilities that require associative references (such as spatial navigation and math).

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ddburman

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 21:20




My language comments were based on informal comparisons of published DMN results / coordinates with the results from ongoing studies when I was working with a language researcher (James Booth).  Only recently interested in exploring resting state analysis on my own, I have not followed the DMN literature closely enough to know whether other studies have examined the relationship between DMN and language.

 

Similarly, my comments about DMN and associations are based upon a broad review of studies that show task-related activation in (especially) parietal cortex with published maps of the DMN.  To the best of my knowledge, no one else has come to this conclusion, but I think the hypothesis that the DMN is involved in associative processes deserves to be explored.  I have recently acquired fMRI data during an associative memory task, and the activation maps look suspiciously similar to the DMN – although I have not yet collected REST data for a direct comparison.

 

Doug Burman

 


 





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ZangYF

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 22:20




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I am not sure how many, but at
least some task fMRI studies did not use resting contrast for activation
detection. In this case, an “activation” of target task as compared with control
task is probably a less “deactivation” if a resting condition is adopted.

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I remember a few review
papers mentioned that some DMN regions (may be inferior parietal lobule) are
involved in memory retrieval.

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My language comments were based on informal comparisons of
published DMN results / coordinates with the results from ongoing studies when
I was working with a language researcher (James Booth).  Only recently
interested in exploring resting state analysis on my own, I have not followed
the DMN literature closely enough to know whether other studies have examined
the relationship between DMN and language.

 

Similarly, my comments about DMN and associations are based upon
a broad review of studies that show task-related activation in (especially)
parietal cortex with published maps of the DMN.  To the best of my
knowledge, no one else has come to this conclusion, but I think the hypothesis
that the DMN is involved in associative processes deserves to be
explored.  I have recently acquired fMRI data during an associative memory
task, and the activation maps look suspiciously similar to the DMN – although I
have not yet collected REST data for a direct comparison.

 

Doug Burman

 

 

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axel.vadim

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:41

Memory retrieval and DMN:

http://www.jneurosci.org/content/31/12/4407.long

axel.vadim

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:48

For context and association there are even more DMN candidates, like parahippocampal gyrus, retrosplinial cortex and MPFC:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17548232

http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content/19/7/1539.long